See What You Want to See
By Jim Caligiuri
JUNE 1, 1999:
"I got to the point where mainstream Nashville took
a big right turn on a musical and production level in the past five years and I took
a big left turn," says Radney Foster. He's sitting on the bed of his modest
hotel room in Austin, dressed casually in shorts and white T-shirt, sunglasses shading
his bleary eyes after a night of too little sleep. It's only the second day of a
tour to promote his decidedly different new album, See What You Want to See,
and he's adjusting to the grind of riding in a van throughout the South. "No,
we can't afford a bus just yet," he explains with a sigh.
Foster has undergone quite a few changes since his last release, one of them being
a lower-profile label -- Arista Austin -- which translates into smaller budgets for
things like touring. The upside is he gets to make the music he wants to make. Most
significantly, he's still hungry, belying a remarkably assured attitude strengthened
by the trials and tribulations he's been through in the past four years. Between
1994's Labor of Love and his new release, Foster has gone through a series
of life-changing highs and lows: the struggle of divorce, new love and remarriage,
and the pain of having his young son moved to Europe. See What You Want to See
was born of these joys and sorrows.
"I was writing songs from such a personal place that they dictated a different
approach," explains Foster. "I had to let go, and do something from my
heart."
The results are a far cry from the country twang and roots rock Foster has been
known for since his days as one half of popular Nashville duo Foster & Lloyd
or as a successful Top Ten country solo artist penning his own singles ("Just
Call Me Lonesome," "Nobody Wins"). See What You Want to See
is an adult pop album, full of atmospheric guitars, funky grooves, and look-you-straight-in-the-eye
lyrics about love and betrayal.
"I've quit writing songs just for the sake of structure or rhyme," says
the 39-year-old songwriter. "I'm gonna say what my soul needs to say, because
I think that kind of honesty leads to better songs. It's more important to communicate
what's in my heart and soul about love, fear, rejection, and hope. That's what this
album is about."
When the subject of his recent past comes up he exclaims, "I don't think
you can deal with the new record without dealing with the history of what I've been
through."
Foster's history begins with his being born in the border town of Del Rio, Texas,
the son of a lawyer and a schoolteacher.
"Del Rio in the Sixties seemed kind of normal to me," he explains, "but
it was really kind of wild in a lot of ways. You had XERF blasting away over the
airways from across the river in Ciudad Acuna, Mexico. I was one of those kids with
a transistor radio and earphone hiding under the covers at 8 or 9 years of age."
Foster remembers tuning in stations like WBAP out of Dallas and San Antonio's
WOAI, but mostly it was XERF from across the river.
"It was so weird because at that time, which was the late Sixties, early
Seventies, I think it was Paul Kalinger who was spinning trucker records really heavily.
He didn't seem to care about the Nashville versus hippie-kid country thing, so it
was the first place I heard people like Waylon Jennings, Asleep at the Wheel, and
Willie Nelson -- things that were really rockin' and cool."
Another element adding to the confluence of "weirdness" in Del Rio was
the Air Force base, which in the late Sixties/early Seventies was used as a base
for U2 spy planes. Foster recalls friends of his parents, Air Force pilots, inviting
the Fosters over for Alaskan king crab or blue point oysters from Maine. As it turns
out, the neighbors were spying on Russia and picking up their exotic eats at one
of their refueling stops. Their parties were always notable.
"At these parties, they'd pass a guitar around and play whatever had three
chords and they felt was cool," recalls Foster. "It could be anything from
Fats Waller to Jimmie Rodgers to Hank Williams to Merle Haggard to Elvis. I have
very vivid memories of falling asleep in my parents' lap listening to all this music.
"By the time I was 10-11 years old, it was pretty easy to pick up the guitar.
My older sister sang -- sang really well. I remember the first time I ever played
the guitar in public was in church backing up my sister, but they wouldn't let me
sing because my voice was changing."
Foster's musical career began in earnest when he attended
the University of the South in Swannee, Tennessee. There he played in a number of
bluegrass, rock, and country bands, and started writing songs. In 1979, while performing
in a duo at college, he was approached by a Nashville-based producer named Brown
Bannister, who was impressed enough with Foster's songwriting talent to encourage
the young musician to go to Nashville and try his luck. Initially he resisted.
"In the summer of 1980, me and my buddy went to Europe and we'd play in the
streets and were making money. I was supposed to get back to the States in time for
school to start, but we thought we could stay there forever. Eventually reality set
in and when I got back home, I told my parents I really wanted to go to Nashville
for a year and try it out. They reluctantly agreed and I went through a year of knocking
on doors and soul searching, ending up back at school the next year like a whipped
puppy with my tail between my legs. But I knew that was what I wanted to do."
Even though the music industry in Nashville was much smaller in the early Eighties,
Foster had doubts about becoming a country artist, knowing the odds long and his
shot slim. In 1985, he signed with music publishers MTM. Owned and operated by Meredith
Stewart and Tommy West, who had made his name producing Jim Croce albums, MTM boasted
a couple of Nashville rock bands, and Bill Lloyd.
"That's where I met Bill for the first time," says Foster. "It
really was a factory, though. They'd hear that Dolly Parton was looking for a song
and in a day or so they'd have something down on a demo that sounded like it was
meant for Dolly Parton. That's remarkable to me even though some people belittle
it. Holland, Dozier, Holland -- Lieber and Stoller -- those guys came up with a hook
and produced and sold it. How can you belittle it?"
By comparison, Foster writes mostly by himself these days, acknowledging that
he still takes on projects for which there are no guarentees that the two principals
involved won't sit there staring at each other for a couple of hours.
"To me, songwriting is about the mining of your soul. When I collaborate
with someone, I need to know what their life is like and how I relate to that."
Bill Lloyd was obviously a kindred spirit.
"We were sort of the new young turks with some street sense that started
hanging out together. We sort of used each other. I thought he was more of a rock
guy and maybe someone would pay attention to my rock stuff if I hung out with him
and he felt the same about me and his country side.
"We built up a friendship and started to develop a following and it was really
fun. We would go and do nights at the Bluebird Cafe where I'd play a set, he'd play
a set, and then we'd play a set together. Of course, this was back when the Bluebird
was just a beer joint and not a famous club."
It was around this time that RCA Records came into the picture. Foster & Lloyd
had just gotten their initial break, having Sweethearts of the Rodeo record the duo's
"Since I Found You," which became a Top Ten country hit. This, of course,
created a buzz about Radney & Bill. At the time, there was also something different
going on in Nashville. Rodney Crowell had had some hits, Dwight Yoakam had just arrived
on the scene, and Steve Earle had been signed to MCA. Lloyd was in a band with a
guy who was working in RCA's marketing department named Randy Goodman.
"Bill was scheduled to release an album called Feeling the Elephant
on Throbbing Lobster Records," remembers Foster, "and he gave a tape of
it to Goodman. It had the album on one side and on the other side he put some of
the stuff we'd been working on together as a duo. We thought maybe we'd get some
songs cut. But he fell in love with our stuff and told us he thought we were an act.
RCA said they wanted to see us play live, so we rented a studio, and got some guys
from Bill's rock band together.
"Bruce Bouton, who was Ricky Skaggs' steel player, helped us out, as did
Mike McAdam, who was Steve Earle's guitar player. We rehearsed for three days and
then RCA label head Joe Galante came and saw us and it was lawyers, guns, and money
from there. That's exactly what they said after we played: 'Boys, it's lawyers, guns,
and money from here on out.'"
Foster & Lloyd's self-titled debut was a big, and for the time, rather unique
success. A mix of Everly Brothers harmonies, midtempo rockabilly, and Byrds-y jangle
with lean arrangements and engaging lyrics, it caught many by surprise.
"They let us produce it ourselves, since we had done a good job on the demo
and they liked that," explains Foster. "We were pretty much left to our
own devices. The weird thing was that it was successful at country radio and also
at college radio, which they didn't even try to work. That just happened. We asked
them to ship it to college radio and they were surprised that the college radio department
was getting such a great response."
The duo continued with decreasing amounts of success and increasing record company
intervention; only hardcore fans know there are two different versions of their last
album, 1989's Version of the Truth, which was remixed and had some shuffling
of tracks after its initial release. In 1990, after four years and three albums together,
Foster & Lloyd parted ways amicably. The two still perform together on rare occasions
in an acoustic setting, just like the old days.
Foster went on to moderate success as a solo country artist, releasing two acclaimed
albums, '92's Del Rio, Texas 1959 and Labor of Love, two years later.
That same year, 1994, while doing preliminary work on what was to be a third solo
disc, Foster's personal life fell apart. Beginning with an emotionally draining divorce,
the next four years were to be a nonstop roller coaster ride of the soul. Foster
remarried in '96, but then was plunged into a brutal (and ultimately unsuccessful)
lawsuit to prevent his ex-wife from moving their young son to France. Things eventually
ground to a halt.
"The record I had been working on in '94 was being produced by Mac McAnally
and the label felt it wasn't complete," says Foster. "It was intended to
be a country record on Arista Nashville. Two years later, I was a different guy and
I went and recorded some more and when I brought that to the label they said, 'This
isn't country,' and I said, 'No, it's not, but if you want to be a part of it, this
is what I'm doing.' I thought they were going to let me go."
Tim Dubois, president of Arista Nashville, had other ideas.
"I can't speak highly enough of Tim Dubois," Foster says appreciatively.
"He suggested that I take it to the Arista Austin guys [see sidebar], which
I did. They fell in love with it. We used 'The Kiss' from the other recording sessions
and 'God Knows When' was also on the other record, but we recut it, because we felt
it was important."
Originally set to be out in the fall of 1998, See What You Want to See
was held on the eve of its release to allow for Arista Austin's corporate restructuring.
Foster couldn't tell if he was bulletproof or just plain numb.
"I think there's something really important in making records that comes
out of you when your 'give-a-shit' meter goes to nothing," asserts Foster.
Thankfully, however, 1998 eventually yielded forward progress. Foster's happily
remarried, and the couple is expecting their first child in July. The expectant father
has also managed to maintain a good relationship with his son in France, despite
the distance. Musically, he's distanced himself somewhat from his past, expanding
his musical palette far beyond the constraints of country music, what with Abra Moore,
Sister 7's Patrice Pike, and Darius "Hootie" Rucker adding their vocals
to See What You Want to See. Yet he's done it all on his own terms and maintains
an exceptionally serene attitude about all he's been through.
"I can only control what I do," he proclaims. "I hope everyone
else does their part, but I can't worry about them. At the end of the day, I just
have to be satisfied with myself."

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